Will the Russian aid convoy to Ukraine enter without Ukrainian government permission?

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Ukrainian government statement to press regarding aid convoy will be taken as fact regarding answer.

Reference date: Sept. 7, 2014, 24:00 IST

Mickey Pierce, Paranoid Dyslexic

Proposed result 3 accepted on 2014/08/28 03:09:22

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Yes it will cross without permission

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come on people it's clearly over, Putin is getting ready to launch a second convoy! lets wrap this up and move on.... support this final settlement. ...more

come on people it's clearly over, Putin is getting ready to launch a second convoy! lets wrap this up and move on.... support this final settlement.
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- maria Luisa SIMPSON
  
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  Russian are aggressive, so there is a possibility to get inside Ukaraine.
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- Anonymous
  
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  Yeah right, Maria, a very fitting comment you make. Russians agressively bring babyfood and medicine inside Ukraine. Whereas others just peacefully drop bombs - even atom bombs - inside other countries, thank goodness.
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Mickey Pierce, Paranoid Dyslexic

Proposed result 2 declined on 2014/08/25 09:45:27

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Yes it will cross without permission

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Numerous news agency's, Russian defence minister and Ukrainian government ...more

Numerous news agency's, Russian defence minister and Ukrainian government
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- Mickey Pierce, Paranoid Dyslexic
  
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  so how long do you propose is a legimate time period to allow to pass before an attack on the convoy or on part of it is irrelevant to this particular question. I myself understood ''stopped by force'' to mean just that, if the convoy attempted to cross the border after being told they couldnt do so then Ukraine could either stand by and do nothing or stop it by force, the fact that the convoy did not sneak over the border and was in view of Ukraine government while crossing to me means they declined to deploy force to stop it , which in view of the question is about as unambiguos an answer as one could hope for. Did Ukraine know the convoy was crossing the border ? Yes. Did they no before the convoy made it all the way to its intended destination? Yes. Did they have the means and the oppertunity to deploy force to halt the convoy in its tracks? Yes. Did Ukraine deploy force to stop the Russian aid convoy from crossing its border? No. I feel it a clear cut answer to the question in question.
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- Hubertus Hofkirchner, Chief Futurist
  
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  For my 2c "the Russian aid convoy" clearly means the entirety of the convoy, not just part of it. If we settle prematurely and an attack occurs on the remaining lorries what do we do then? Therefore I'd wait till we know. What's the harm?
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Günther Fädler,

Proposed result 1 declined on 2014/08/25 08:47:58

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Yes it will cross without permission

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"They (the russian aid convoy) passed into Ukraine without clearance or participation of the International Red Cross or (Ukrainian) border guards," Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told journalists. "We consider this a direct invasion by Russia of Ukraine," Ukrainian state security chief Valentyn Nalivaychenko http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/22/us-ukra… ...more

"They (the russian aid convoy) passed into Ukraine without clearance or participation of the International Red Cross or (Ukrainian) border guards," Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told journalists. "We consider this a direct invasion by Russia of Ukraine," Ukrainian state security chief Valentyn Nalivaychenko http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/22/us-ukraine-crisis-aid-convoy-idUSKBN0GM0IS20140822
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- Mickey Pierce, Paranoid Dyslexic
  
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  http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/first…
  surely the joke is over... its already back home! this question is over... in my opinion
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  Did Ukraine know the convoy was crossing the border ? Yes.
  Did they no before the convoy made it all the way to its intended destination? Yes.
  Did they have the means and the oppertunity to deploy force to halt the convoy in its tracks? Yes.
  Did Ukraine deploy force to stop the Russian aid convoy from crossing its border? No.
  I feel it a clear cut answer to the question in question.
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